A Problem Now or a Problem Later: Inside the 50/50 Brand and Performance Split

A Problem Now or a Problem Later: Inside the 50/50 Brand and Performance Split
Published on September 17, 2026

The return on ad spend said to put more money into performance. The team at The Outnet did the opposite, ring-fencing half the marketing budget for brand and leaving it there, quarter after quarter, while the dashboard argued otherwise.

Stephanie Phair has a question she puts to anyone tempted to let the dashboard win. Do you want a problem now, or do you want a problem later?

In Episode 21 of Growth Files, Sathish Kumar speaks with Stephanie Phair OBE, who launched The Outnet, served as Group President of Farfetch, chaired the British Fashion Council through Brexit and COVID, and now runs the brand transformation agency Invisible Dynamics. The conversation covers operating at the speed of culture, why AI findability is a brand problem before a technical one, and where e-commerce goes next.

Episode TL;DR

  • Moving at the speed of culture is an operating principle, and the strategy-deck cycle no longer keeps up with it.
  • Culture work layered on a misaligned brand is decoration. Alignment has to run end to end.
  • The Outnet ring-fenced 50 percent of marketing spend for brand, against what ROAS advised.
  • Performance marketing stopped working when every brand chased the same keywords and CPA climbed past the margin.
  • Rent the customer through Google and Meta and the relationship stays theirs.
  • AI findability is SEO and GEO on steroids, and it rests on whether the LLMs trust your brand.
  • The more brand work you do, the more trustworthy your brand becomes to an AI engine.
  • Expect slop. Sharper messages and real creativity are what cut through it.
  • Nike fell below an index it had held for 18 years after going too far direct-to-consumer.

About the Guests

Guest

Stephanie Phair OBE

Stephanie Phair OBE, Executive Chairman of Invisible Dynamics, a brand transformation agency whose clients include Gap, Theory and Nike. Stephanie launched The Outnet in 2009 and grew it from two employees to 150, sat on the executive board of Net-a-Porter Group, and served as Chief Strategy Officer, Chief Customer Officer and Group President at Farfetch. She chaired the British Fashion Council from 2018 to 2022, steering the sector through Brexit and COVID, and sat on the board of Moncler. She was awarded an OBE in 2022 for services to fashion and technology. LinkedIn · invisibledynamics.com

Host

Sathish Kumar Mariappan

Sathish Kumar Mariappan, CEO and Co-Founder of CommerceShop and host of Growth Files. Sathish leads a revenue-first eCommerce consultancy for brands scaling from $2M to $25M, focused on conversion optimization, answer engine optimization and B2B manufacturing commerce. LinkedIn

What Moving at the Speed of Culture Actually Means

The phrase is the Invisible Dynamics tagline, and Stephanie treats it as an operating system.

It reflects a deep evolution in the consumer, and specifically in fashion and luxury, where media, audiences and social platforms have all changed across twenty years.

The old model was contained and one-directional. A brand had its store, billboards, television and print, and inside those four walls it told consumers whatever it chose. The iPhone, e-commerce and social platforms handed that conversation to everybody else, and TikTok and Reddit widened it.

Fashion brands were slow to the platform shift, and what happened next earns them credit.

They were laggards in coming online, and have since not only understood it but started writing the playbook for this fragmented world of audiences.

The operational failure is a timing problem, familiar to anyone who has sat through a planning cycle.

Stephanie: “You could have a strategy deck. You would run it through the teams, have an external consultancy come and do the work, and eventually it would be signed off and there would be an advertising campaign. But the world stayed still during that time. The world is moving consistently at the moment.”

The gap Oli Walsh identified when founding it was the absence of anything continuous: strategy consulting on one side, creative and emotional connection on the other, exchanging at the pace culture moves.

She joined as a former buyer of those services, having searched for an agency that could do both.

Stephanie: “I wasn’t finding the kinds of advertising agencies that could reflect the commercial needs of what we had, deeply understanding the business, product, pricing strategy numbers, and also reflect that in creativity.”

This is a cadence problem. A strategy deck is a snapshot, and every week between research and launch is a week the market keeps moving. Organizations treating this as an annual project are always late, however good the work is when it lands.

Why Culture Work Fails Without Internal Alignment

The caution comes immediately, and it may be the most commercially useful idea here.

Stephanie: “Unless a brand has deeply understood their DNA and is internally aligned across product, commercial, retail, merchandising, manufacturing, the end-to-end, the culture piece is an add-on.”

Brands that work on their fundamentals get culture right. The ones who get it wrong ask only for the advertising campaign on top.

The worked example is Gap, an Invisible Dynamics client and one of the visible turnarounds of recent years. The work went backwards before forwards, into a history most shoppers would find surprising.

Stephanie: “Its early history in San Francisco as a record store. The fact that it was almost a multi-brand retailer originally, that it was about dance and music, and really brought that back. That’s why it’s resonated, because it’s consistent with what Gap stands for.”

None of it would have worked without parallel work on product, retail store, merchandising and commercials. Asked how a brand avoids chasing every trend, the answer returns to the same foundation.

Stephanie: “Brands lose that over the years. They lose why they came to exist. They forget to talk about it. Many other players come into that space and eat chunks of their positioning. Gap is one example where no one quite knew who it was for or what it was for. A brand that’s really aligned will understand which trends it should chase and which ones it should stay back from.”

That last line is the practical test. Trend chasing looks like a discipline problem and functions as a clarity problem. A team that agrees on what the brand is can evaluate a trend in one meeting. A team without that agreement has no basis for saying no, so it says yes to everything.

Seeing Around Corners: The Portero Lesson

Asked what has guided her career, two things come up, and they work together.

Stephanie: “It is the combination of customer and innovation. Deeply understanding the customer, whatever that audience was. And the innovation piece is where is the customer heading? Or what can we give the customer that they don’t even know they want?”

The example is Portero, the first dedicated marketplace for pre-owned luxury, founded in 2005 with her on the team. What made it work corrected an assumption everybody else held.

Stephanie: “That customer was not necessarily a cheap student-y customer that just wanted a bargain. They were actually very wealthy women who were selling their bags and using the money to buy more.”

Portero set the blueprint for much of the secondary market that followed. The pattern repeats: The Outnet curated and merchandised off-price beautifully, pulling in a high household income customer. Farfetch built a marketplace that brought offline boutiques online.

Each rested on a read of the customer that contradicted the prevailing view. Everyone in 2005 assumed resale meant bargain hunting, which made the whole space feel small. Getting the customer right reframed the opportunity, and the businesses that followed inherited that framing.

From Bespoke Platforms to Two People and a Vibe Code

Asked what she would do differently, the answer concerns context more than decisions. Portero was too early.

Stephanie: “2005 was the early days of the internet and the customer didn’t even understand how to shop. We had to upload photographs by taking it with a digital camera and using a USB cable. The infrastructure just wasn’t there for the kind of innovation we were trying to do.”

A bigger observation lies underneath, reframing a whole generation of e-commerce companies.

Stephanie: “In some ways these businesses were the online reflection of the offline world. They are essentially retail stores online. And the innovation itself was just being online.”

The constraint has collapsed in two years. An e-commerce site now takes two people, the bespoke platforms that consumed years of engineering are unnecessary, and you can vibe code a website and learn from it quickly.

The illustration is content and commerce, the pairing that matters most in luxury, where imagery and editorial sit alongside the product.

Stephanie: “I remember PDF pages for developers to code to put images up to go with that week’s upload. It sounds like I’m talking about the Stone Age, but it was only five years ago. And now all of that can be done through AI.”

Execution has stopped being a moat, because a capability that took a funded team two years is now available to two people in a week. What stays scarce is knowing what to build, which is why the Portero lesson matters more now than in 2005.

Losing Control of the Message

On whether brands still control their narrative, Stephanie dates the loss well back.

Stephanie: “They lost control a while ago. The brands pushed out their message within four walls, within a magazine, within the TV screen, and social media suddenly became a two-way conversation. And it’s that amplified to the nth degree now.”

Out of it grew a distribution channel that barely existed a decade ago.

Stephanie: “I’m thinking about the affiliate channels that became these creator platforms. And creators are now not only just talking about brands and occasionally selling some pieces, they are actually considered by brands to be the new distribution channel.”

Platforms like ShopMy and LTK now sit inside distribution models, as channels in their own right. Luxury brands dodged the question for years by leaning on Net-a-Porter and Farfetch, and that option closed.

Brands have become savvy while accepting they no longer control the message, and the customer holds more of it than ever.

Stephanie: “For a brand, it has to stay really innovative, really relevant, and create that sense of friction that gets people to just stop in a world where there’s so much content.”

Friction is an unusual word to reach for and the right one. In an environment optimized for frictionless scrolling, what earns attention is whatever interrupts the scroll. That is a creative bar, and media budget alone leaves it uncleared.

The Performance Marketing Trap

Sathish raises the shift across marketing teams: everything pointed at conversion and customer acquisition cost, with brand building underfunded. Stephanie agrees without hedging.

Stephanie: “Yes, and I think that was a mistake.”

The sequence will be recognizable to anyone who built a business in the last fifteen years.

Stephanie: “There was a time where the answer was you build a direct-to-consumer brand online and you leverage Google, paid search, you leverage Meta, and that is how you build your brand. Marketers became very, very good at that. The platforms created the metrics that they said would be the right metrics. And marketers leaned into that.”

It worked, and then it stopped.

Stephanie: “Suddenly there were so many brands chasing the same keywords, chasing the same customers online. The cost per acquisition just went up and it became prohibitive. The business model just didn’t work. The margins were eaten up by performance marketing. And then, hello, you don’t own the customer because the customer keeps going back to Google and going back to Meta, and you’ve not built an emotional connection.”

Where the industry has landed includes a detail worth noticing.

Stephanie: “Old school marketing was very much out of vogue. It’s very much back in. We’re seeing events go fully offline with no social media connection at all to even talk about the event, because that is the new luxury.”

An event with no content strategy attached inverts a decade of orthodoxy. Scarcity is the point, and the missing amplification creates the value.

The 50/50 Split and the Squeezed Lemon

Sathish puts the hardest version of the question: a brand two or three years in, needing to hit quarterly numbers, has to split its budget somehow. What percentage goes where?

Stephanie: “Hardest thing to do.”

Then the number, from a business she ran.

Stephanie: “We had a fifty-fifty split at The Outnet and we sort of kept to it, even though our ROAS on performance marketing would have told us we might be able to invest more. We absolutely ring-fenced that 50 percent into brand marketing.”

The discipline was tested every quarter, and the question she used to hold the line is the most portable thing in this episode.

Stephanie: “Do you want a problem now or do you want a problem later? And if you have that problem later, it’s because you’ve really just squeezed the lemon to the point where there’s nowhere else to go.”

A clean line marks where this applies. Commoditized products are a different matter, where being absolutely findable is the job. Selling discretionary product, and particularly at a high price point, turns on something beyond convenience or price, and storytelling is the only route to it.

Commoditized product High price point discretionary
What wins Findability, price, availability Storytelling and emotional connection
Where budget goes Performance and search visibility Ring-fenced brand investment
The risk of ignoring brand Limited Squeezed lemon, no customer to return to
What the customer is buying The item What the brand means

Fifty-fifty is a useful number because it was defended against the data. The widely cited benchmark from Binet and Field puts the long-term brand allocation nearer 60 percent, so the split falls inside the same territory as the research. What makes it citable is that it comes from an operator who held the line while the dashboard argued otherwise, at a business she was accountable for.

A Brand Problem or a Marketing Problem

When growth slows and the marketplace stops delivering, the instinct is to call it a marketing failure. Stephanie sends leaders somewhere earlier.

The instruction is to understand the business itself: whether the company is aligned internally and says the same thing end to end across every channel.

Then the allocation problem, and the reason it persists.

Stephanie: “Oftentimes the allocation of spend does not lean heavily enough into upper funnel and brand marketing because it’s just not as easy to measure. Luxury brands have always understood that. And that is why they’ve been able to own a customer who is essentially paying a pretty hefty premium for something discretionary.”

Measurability does quiet damage. Budget flows toward whatever reports cleanly, so the harder work loses every planning round on process alone. Luxury resisted because a premium on an optional purchase has always been visibly a brand outcome.

AI Findability: Why Trust Comes Before Metadata

Stephanie approaches this from an unusual direction: she advised a shopping agent business in 2016.

Stephanie: “One of the earliest advisory projects I had was for a business called Operator in San Francisco in 2016, funded by Garrett Camp, the founder of Uber’s incubator. That agent could shop for you online and you input in natural language what you wanted. We were doing AI before AI.”

The constraint then was where the engineering went: more time on the foundational LLM than on the front-end application.

What transferred was behavioral: how customers think about interacting with an agent, and how they engage when buying through natural language.

On findability today, the familiar discipline scales up, with one addition most teams miss.

Stephanie: “It’s GEO, SEO, but absolutely on steroids. It’s not just as SEO was, affiliate links, backlinks, having enough content on your site that you could index. It is genuinely structuring the metadata on your site in a way that the LLMs can read it and that they trust the brand.”

Then the connection that ties this episode together.

Stephanie: “And this goes back to brand. The more brand work you do, the more trustworthy your brand is.”

Sathish notes CommerceShop built ConversionBox for exactly this, and that trust decides which sites an LLM cites. Stephanie is also looking at ARA, which works on stack ranking brands through geo intelligence.

This inverts how the industry usually talks about it. Most GEO advice comes from search specialists and treats AI visibility as a technical exercise: structured data, schema, extractable passages, citations. All of that matters. Stephanie reaches the same destination from the brand side and adds the prerequisite. An LLM deciding whether to recommend you is assessing whether you are a known, trusted entity, and that assessment draws on everything written about you across the web. Brand investment that looked unmeasurable for a decade now feeds a distribution channel.

What the E-commerce Site of the Future Looks Like

Stephanie invested early in Parfumery, a fragrance discovery platform, and the choice of vertical was deliberate.

Fragrance is unusually ripe for structure, with a taxonomy available around base notes and olfactive scents, sitting in a commercially fragmented market.

What the founders assumed at the start is what makes it interesting.

Stephanie: “The women who have founded it have been in version 2.0 and understand where it’s heading. This is not about the e-commerce catalog. This is not about how e-commerce looks now. In some ways, that’s legacy. If you want to sell in high value discretionary product, you’ve got to really meet the customer where they’re at.”

The build, currently in beta, offers deep personalization, lets you search by naming fragrances you already own, breaks results down through generative content, and sits on Google while holding its own IP for fragrance.

Two things make this a template. A tight taxonomy allows genuine personalization, so verticals with describable attributes are where it works first. Fragmentation opens the door: no dominant player leaves room for a discovery layer to become the destination. Anyone selling something with rich attributes and scattered supply should read it as a map.

Slop, Creativity and the Chanel Bet

If AI lets any brand generate a story quickly, where does distinctiveness go? The volume problem gets worse before it resolves.

Stephanie: “I think we’re gonna find a lot of slop online and just the quantity of content that is generated.”

The response has to sharpen. Messages tighten, creativity moves to the center, and the pendulum swings back toward craftsmanship and investment in what makes a brand unique. The customer question she poses: why should I trust this, given what the brand is made of?

The bar has moved, and one thing that used to suffice no longer does.

Stephanie: “Marketing and brand and content will be essential, but it won’t be enough, in a way that for 20 years a lot of these brands and companies built themselves in a world of marketing is king.”

The account of luxury’s difficult stretch names the causes without softening them: Chinese demand fell away and the market is neither as large nor as fast-growing as it was, the Middle East was a bright spot with spending now easing, and the aspirational customer has drifted off given the economic situation.

Against that backdrop, one brand stands out.

Stephanie: “One winner recently has been Chanel, which went through a number of tough years and bet everything on creativity and the creative director Matthieu Blazy. It has paid off because it stands out in a world where people are doing so much of the same.”

The Chanel case is worth sitting with because the bet ran counter to conditions. Demand was soft across luxury, which is exactly when most boards cut creative budgets and lean on discounting. Betting on a creative director then is a brand-equity decision taken against short-term pressure, the 50/50 principle at a different scale.

Following the Money Out of Fashion

Asked how she identifies a durable brand, Stephanie declines the investor label and describes an advisor’s lens.

Stephanie: “There’s less investment going into fashion as a macro category. And that’s because quite simply, where are the exits? Who is going to buy a fashion brand and how do you get it to a place where an investor gets the return that warrants that original investment?”

Where the money went instead is a short list.

Stephanie: “You follow the money, you follow the customers. People are spending in hospitality, in wellness, on their health a huge amount. They always say that when times are tough, beauty does well. Beauty’s still doing relatively well, it’s come down from its highs.”

The method underneath: look at the category, understand where the customer is, and understand the micro trends inside the customer.

The exit question is what fashion founders underweight. Investor appetite is driven by who eventually buys the company, and a sector with few credible acquirers struggles to raise however well a single brand performs. That shapes what is fundable, which shapes what gets built.

The Nike Warning

Asked when a brand realizes it is losing control, the example is a company in the news, and one her own agency counts as a client.

Stephanie: “Nike is actually an interesting brand that’s in the news right now because they’ve just left the top 100 brands index. In 18 years of their history, it’s the first time they’ve fallen below the index.”

The diagnosis follows the thread running through the whole conversation.

Stephanie: “That is an interesting tale of a business that maybe let the commercial operational side lead on what really truly mattered from a brand perspective. They pulled back and it went too direct to consumer. They pulled out of the wholesale shelves. So they lost ground to competitors like Adidas or Puma or Reebok.”

D2C is potentially great for margins, on the condition that you genuinely invest in the brand. A lot of new players came in and ate up the incumbent space.

On whether they caught it in time, the answer is careful and clear.

Stephanie: “Did they realize soon enough? And did they pull the emergency valve soon enough? Maybe not.”

The Nike case is the 50/50 principle at maximum scale. Direct-to-consumer improves margin per unit and removes the shelf presence that kept the brand in front of people shopping for something else. Wholesale is distribution and visibility both, and a brand withdrawing from it funds that visibility itself. The margin gain arrives immediately and the brand cost years later, which is what makes the trade easy to get wrong.

Creativity as Soft Power

Stephanie chaired the British Fashion Council from 2018, an industry body representing a sector worth close to 35 billion pounds to the UK economy. The timing was unkind.

Stephanie: “I was appointed in 2018, which was when government had to start work on getting Brexit delivered. From a role that never really had to think about trade and exports and imports, suddenly Brexit loomed very large, and government had forgotten to think about the nuances of the fashion industry compared to other industries.”

Then COVID.

Stores closed, brands rethought their business models, and the BFC stepped in as the industry body to keep the floor under the sector and stop it collapsing.

The lesson from nearly five years in the role concerns how a country values its creative sector.

Stephanie: “Creativity is absolutely at the center of what makes the UK incredible. It is such a pipeline of talent for the global fashion industry. The creative arts, whether it’s fashion or the arts or film or music, is as important as the hard industries or banking and finance. It is such a source of soft power for the UK. And governments sort of understand it, but haven’t really.”

The parallel to the corporate case holds. Creative capability is hard to measure, slow to build and quick to lose, which leaves it undervalued by whoever holds the budget. It took Brexit and a pandemic to move the policy conversation, a costly way to learn what the 50/50 split teaches cheaply.

Start With Why

The closing advice puts the sequence in order.

Stephanie: “Think about the reason for your brand to exist, the why. And then the how and the method in which you put it out to the world can change. When you’ve reflected that why internally through your product, your pricing, your merchandising, your store, your salespeople, then the how, in other words the speed, that can change all the time. But you won’t have to keep relitigating the strategy every time when things move at the speed of culture.”

The distinction between the why and the how resolves the tension the episode opens with. Moving at the speed of culture sounds like a demand for constant reinvention and requires the opposite: a fixed answer to what the brand is, which makes rapid movement on everything else possible. Brands that keep relitigating strategy are slow because the foundation keeps shifting.

Your Brand Building Checklist

Start with the first three. They cost a month and reframe the rest.

  • Split your last twelve months of marketing spend into brand and performance, and write the ratio down
  • Ask five people across product, merchandising and retail why the brand exists, and compare the answers
  • Look up your founding story and find the part of it your current positioning has dropped
  • Name the last three trends you chased and check each against what the brand stands for
  • Search your brand and category in ChatGPT, Gemini and Claude, and record whether you appear and how
  • Audit your product metadata for whether an LLM could read and trust it
  • Identify which creator platforms already sell your product, and decide whether they are a channel or an accident
  • Calculate what your customer acquisition cost has done over three years against your gross margin
  • Plan one offline moment with no content plan attached and see what it does
  • Write the one thing a customer gets from you that a competitor cannot copy

Brand Strategy FAQ

What is the right split between brand and performance marketing? Stephanie Phair ring-fenced 50 percent for brand at The Outnet, holding it even when return on ad spend argued for more performance investment. Published research from Binet and Field puts the long-term allocation nearer 60 percent brand. For commoditized products the calculation differs, since findability carries more weight there.

Why does brand building matter for AI search visibility? Because LLMs assess whether a brand is trustworthy before citing or recommending it, and that assessment draws on everything written about the brand across the web. Structuring metadata so engines can read it is necessary, and the trust signal that makes them act on it comes from sustained brand work.

What does moving at the speed of culture mean? Treating brand as a continuous activity, with the annual planning cycle retired. The traditional route, from strategy deck through consultancy to signed-off campaign, assumes a market that holds still. Combining strategy and creative in a constant loop is the alternative.

Why did direct-to-consumer hurt Nike? Pulling out of wholesale shelves improved margin per unit and removed the visibility that shelf space provided, which competitors moved into. A D2C model puts the full burden of building awareness on the brand’s own marketing.

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This is Episode 21 of Growth Files by CommerceShop, where operators and advisors share what works in commerce, brand and AI.

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Sathish Kumar M

CEO and Co-Founder of CommerceShop

As CEO of CommerceShop, Sathish Kumar Mariappan helps brands solve complex digital commerce challenges through technology, automation, and AI. Since 2009, he has specialized in eCommerce development, scalable architecture, and AI-first growth strategies that improve customer experience, increase efficiency, and drive sustainable revenue across retail and manufacturing commerce.